Friday, July 15, 2011

I Just Don't Get It...

*This regularly scheduled program is interrupted by the following random rant. 
Proceed at your own risk!*


I just don't get the world sometimes. I don't understand why people bring children into this world and see them as a bother, something to boss around and treat however they wish without regard to the simple fact that kids are people too. All of these shows and books are created to "fix" children when the cold hard reality is that it is ADULTS who are ruining children. It is adults who are making our nations children devoid of creativity, violent, sick with toxins, obese, depressed. It pisses me off!

And then there are those adults out there who are so mean, cruel, and inhumane that I have to take a moment to process what I actually just read. Tonight I had the displeasure of learning of a blog called Mama Tao. Apparently this woman's goal in life is to mock and demean all those hard choices that a mother makes for her children, including but not limited to  VBACs, vaccinating, water births, and natural childbirth. She believes that basically we (we, meaning those who went for an all natural birth, read Ina May's work and praised the heavens for such wisdom, and who question vaccinations) have all been drinking some strong Kool-aid and are to blame for lies?! I felt like I needed to bleach my eyes out after reading just one post, and it got worse with each post there after. It was vile.

It makes me sick to my stomach to think of all those people who are cheering about the fact that there are restaurants who ban children under the age of 6 from eating there. While we're at it, let's ban people over 65 because they are loud, rude, drop things, spill, and sometimes even have accidents! Gasp!!! Makes sense right? And then can we ban people who are developmentally challenged because really, they are loud and can possibly ruin my meal as well... and so on and so forth. Ugh!!

So yeah, I am pretty fed up with the majority of adults I know. I could go on and on and on about this, on any given day. From the random woman who tells me that I am doing Gabby a disservice by homeschooling her to the well meaning friend who thinks it is dumb to question doctors because they have the PhD and I don't.
But I am going to stop now and take a deep breathe and remember that it is because of these people that others work so hard to educate the public about the topics that are important.


Thank you for listening to this random rant, tomorrow we will continue our regularly scheduled program!
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my sister said that our old neighborhood in seattle has a lot of restaurants now that don't allow anyone under 21...even during the day. apparently they're trying to attract a different crowd?? seattle also has more dogs than kids...
I can't tell you, as a marriage and family therapist/counselor, how many times I'll have parents bring a child aged 2-4 and say "fix him/her" because the child misbehaves so much. I start by seeing the family, then will do a couple sessions with the child, who, I might add, behaves quite well. Then, I'll see just the parents and do some coaching on improving the parenting skills and techniques. As for the restaurant thing, not that I agree with it, but will say there are nights when I go out with just friends or just the hubby and I enjoy not being around any kids...but that's why we choose more adult-type restaurants (although none of them actually ban children).
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I am totally with you Amy! I love having kids and being around kids but even I need a break from kids in general. Which is why we choose places where parents don't take kids! My children enjoy going out to eat though and I would hate to not be able to just because society is becoming intolerant.
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Guestin'it · 714 weeks ago

Hey! First off I would like to explain that I am what most would consider a "crunchy" mom, although I really dislike labels. I'm too all over the place to really be under ANY label. BUT, I gave birth at home in the water, I still nurse my 11 month old baby, organic baby food, babywearing, ya know, all that stuff. I also have worked with kids the majority of my life- teaching, volunteering, tutoring, nannying, etc. I love children and I love being a mom. I have to come to the defense of Mama Tao though- I know you may be shocked to hear a person like me would defend her but please, hear me out. I actually promised her once on a blog that I would defend her if I ever got the chance, so here I am.
Now, the reason I am defending her is because I have actually seen some good come from her and I think there is more than meets the eye when it comes to Mama Tao. Believe me, when I first discovered her, I was pissed and appalled. I'm not saying I agree with her blog, because I don't but I actually believe she has a good reason for doing what she does even though that is not the way I would personally do it.
She is upset, I think, because there are some people out there that put mamas and babies at risk because they give out bad medical advice. I do not think it is right that women out there tell other women to take dangerous risks when they are pregnant and sadly, it does happen. There are also some midwives out there that really should not be taking care of moms. My midwives were amazing but I have heard some horrific stories of midwives being really negligent and careless. We need to keep in mind that there are not only selfish doctors out there but midwives too and we should listen up when moms try to tell us about their experiences.
I wish Mama Tao would do things differently. She is upset with certain things that are happening and I can see where she is coming from but if she took a different approach I think * and hope* more women will listen.
Would you and the readers here be willing to listen to what she has to say if she did it in a different way?
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Mom You Would Hate · 714 weeks ago

Mama Tao is not some good person fighting against bad medical advice. Let's not glorify what she is about. She is merely mocking natural parenting and people who like to do their best in it. The end.

If she really wanted to do good in this world, she would do it. Instead, she devotes her time to pain.

Just because she is hurting doesn't make her lashing out at others right.
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Guestin'it · 714 weeks ago

Ps. You are NOT a mom I would hate. I don't hate anyone and I have plenty of reasons to hurt plenty of people who have wronged me terribly and I don't. I'm actually far from being judgmental myself.
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Mom You Would Hate · 714 weeks ago

PS-- I was a mom who tried to tell my experience, and the Mama Tao gang tried to shut me up pretty damn quick. It goes both ways. I don't think they should be silenced for their stories, but neither should I or other NCB moms. We are all trying to help people, but both sides thinks the other side is "dangerous". They have bad stories to tell and so do we. Yet, I was told I shouldn't even be allowed to speak. Nice. They call me and some of my other friends "baby killers" because we differ from them in beliefs.

There is no happy medium if people cannot come together and try to behave with civility and respect for each other. Clearly, Mama Tao is not about respect.
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Guestin'it · 714 weeks ago

Woah. I'm really sorry they did that to you.
Listen ,the reason why I changed my mind about Mama Tao is because I saw her defending a mother when everyone else was blaming the mother for her own baby's death. The people she was arguing with are people against NCB so I was actually impressed that she would stand up to them and I was also impressed that she would stand up for a homebirth mom. I do not like her blog- I am not the kind of person at all that would find something like that funny. My personal opinion is that the majority of the women who love her blog and hate natural childbirth women, had really bad births and are carrying around a lot of resentment because of it. It seems obsessive and crazy to worry so much how other women birth and to spend every waking minute looking through natural childbirth blogs and websites in order to criticize it. I do not get that. I just wanted to let you know there is another side to her. Trust me, if you knew me you would know I am anything BUT that stuff. I had a beautiful homebirth, I love breastfeeding, I live on a farm for crying out loud( not said in a mean way btw) my daughter is delayed in her vaccinations and I took my placenta in pill form. My point is, I am everything she thinks is stupid and although I originally thought she was a terrible human being, I have recently changed my mind. I think she is going about it the wrong way but I do think she is open to change. Some of the other people in that "group" are the stubborn, dogmatic ones. It was a surprise to me too when I realized she was actually not really who I thought she was.
I totally 100% agree with you that we should all respect each other and be decent to one another. I cannot stand those who are such hypocrites who call women like us judgemental when they are actually the ones spending every waking breath judging others. I also think that is sick and wrong to call someone a "baby killer." I hear you, trust me. But I do have to agree that women like us, who do things more naturally, should be careful we don't give out dangerous advice or judge others who don't do things the way we did them. I just don't want the women who I have seen be such amazing people get a bad rep because they do things without thinking first.
Sorry for the ramble, I have so much on my mind concerning this.
First off, thank you BOTH for your decent and civil input. To answer your question- yes, I would maybe listen with a more open mind if Mama Tao wrote about her beliefs in a non-condecending, civil, and NICE way. When I write about our family way, whether it is about homeschooling, birthing, breastfeeding, etc I try to do it in the mindset that our way is not the right for all families. Mama Tao trolls websites, cyber-bullies, and presents her views in such a way that I was disgusted and therefore, not even willing to get into a debate because it would have ended in a way that is beneath me. (I tend to have a temper when it comes to birth and the "doctors know best" medical mindset)

Everyone has to make their choices with what information they have. I have walked the walk of a mom who listened to the OB who was more cut happy than she should have been. I have done the research and found an OB who was ACOG certified and fully endorsed VBACs after 2 c-sections AND was pro-NCB. I fully believe and endorse in the power of a woman when she is giving birth and I feel that the modern medical community, as a whole, has taken that power and changed it into something unnatural and dangerous. Common sense explains how epidurals do in fact make women more susceptible to having c-sections, especially when combined with the time-clock that hospital policies enforce.

However, I do understand that people have had things go wrong in the NCB community due to bad advice, midwives who shouldn't have been in charge, and that it resulted in deaths. And of course, as much as I would like the NCB movement to begin to grow and to have an OB system that is more home-based and natural as opposed to such a medical emergency- I think that there needs to be a total change in how the medical community and modern society views births.

I fully understand that an all natural approach to birth is not for everyone. Medical issues such as diabetes, mental health, and such have to be controlled in a hospital setting. But, women who are fully capable of having a NCB should be not only encouraged to but pushed toward that route. Mama Tao pushes fear about a woman's ability to give birth naturally by presenting "facts" in such way that it is a turn off. Maybe instead of using all that passion and energy to bully and demean, try to help both sides find a middle ground where we are helping each other make the best decisions instead of instilling fear and self-doubt?

I also don't appreciate the slams on the non-vaxing folks, the attachment parenting folks, and such... it all left a bad taste in my mouth. It seems that if you are not in the neat little box of normal societal thinking, you run the risk of Mama Tao's wrath...

(I do appreciate that you feel obligated to come to her defense, I simply wish that instead of using hate to get her point across, she participated in finding solutions to the issues she addresses)
Maybe Mama Tao could learn a lesson in love : ) ... "When you judge people, you have no room to love them."
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Guestin'it · 713 weeks ago

hey! I just wanted to say you guys were right. Mama Tao is not a good person with good intentions. I have seem such despicable behavior from her and others over at the S.O.B They are all attacking a mother who just lost a baby during a homebirth, she doesn't even have her husband with her- he is unable to get back into the country right now! I was crying yesterday, reading how heartless they all were. I tried reasoning with them and they said she deserved to have her baby die and she deserved to have them all attack her because she posted a bit of her story on a mommy website. I feel like I am in the twilight zone. I need to start only looking at blogs and websites with positive, GOOD people because I am truly traumatized that people could be so cruel. Anyway, thought I would share- that small group of women are plain evil. My heart is totally broken for that grieving mama.

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